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Justin Brady: I’m Justin Brady and this is the Iowa Business Podcast. 2026 is here, and with it come higher material costs, labor concerns in the state of Iowa, of course, and changing lifestyles. What does that mean for real estate, for businesses, for construction, for building, uh, we’re really proud to welcome Kyle Gamble, the brand new installed CEO of Hubbell Realty to break. All of that down for us. Nice to, nice to meet you. And congratulations.

Kyle Gamble: Well, thank you very much. I Appreciate you having me and this, this sounds like it’s gonna be a lot of fun.

Justin Brady: You’ve been 30 days in so far.

Kyle Gamble: Yeah, about 30 days. the whole company’s still standing, still there as far as I know. We’re good. Thank. you. Yes. I’ll take ‘ em.

Justin Brady: Before we get started, everybody, uh, we had, we of course appreciate Denton’s Davis Brown who, uh, sponsors this show. We love them. We had Beth Koonin in here talking about talent retention in. Iowa, she sees the signs way out in advance and can help you as an executive avoid losing good talent. We also had Kaylee Blaik NoHo in here talking about immigration and how it affects white collar and blue collar workers alike, even if you think you’re all good and compliant. Should probably check that out. Also, Jason Stone talking about the status of m and a deals in 2026 and why 2021 was crazy. We’re probably not getting back to 2021, but that’s actually a good thing. So go check all that out at Iowa podcast.com/business. Kyle, like I said, I’m so excited. I’m smacking my microphone. Apparently. Um, we we’re seeing, of course we’re not gonna talk politics, but we are seeing the GOP front runners and Democrat front runners talk about the same issue, which is. Young people leaving the state and what is, I guess, the young exodus is kind of a thing, right? It is a concern. So you’re in the home market, are you all concerned or not so concerned? What’s the, what do you guys think?

Kyle Gamble: Well, we’re always concerned about, okay, we want to, we’re focused on enriching the quality of life in, in Iowa, in central markets that we serve. Um, if we focus on that and we focus on lifestyle enhancements, I think that the marketplace will take care of itself. I, I believe Iowa Central Iowa in particular has very, very strong so excellent opportunities for career advancement, excellent great employers in the marketplace. Cost of doing business Cost of living is very low relative to the competition, and you can get things done in this market. You can have a high quality of life. You don’t spend half your half your days in traffic. You can move through. the world a lot easier in central Iowa than you can in most places across the And I think young people will value their and value the And so when you, when you do the math, central Iowa and the markets that we’re in, Iowa in general is a very, very good place to be.

Justin Brady: So does Hubbell play a role then in retaining young people here? And you mentioned, um, doing, uh, I’ll just unfairly summarize, but you actually said it way better than I do, and this is my job to summarize things. Um, but you mentioned about basically creating a good environment where young people want to be What role does Hubbell play in that in Iowa?

Kyle Gamble: Yeah. Well think about some of the charity Icon Water Trails, for example. Okay. So we’re, we’re invested heavily into Icon We want, and the reason behind that is we look at it as a multiplier If people enjoy outdoors, if they enjoy the recreation, if they, if it enhances their lifestyle, that’s gonna keep them in Des Moines, that’s gonna keep them in central Iowa. Keep them investing in this marketplace. It’s also a return on investment for us as a developer, as a home builder for the employers in the marketplace. If we create that environment where people want to be by investing in, in. places like Grey Station in downtown Des Moines,

Justin Brady: Mm-hmm.

Kyle Gamble: pro Iowa soccer stadium and Global Plaza is If you think about what can happen in downtown Des Moines on a day-to-day basis, even over the weekends, the opportunities to participate in lifestyle activities is phenomenal and the cost is low compared to the rest to our comp competing cities. So from that standpoint, Hubbell, when we look at development projects, when we look at philanthropic endeavors, we want to see a multiplier effect on that. That enhances that lifestyle, enhances the quality of life in our, our communities. So people wanna stay

Justin Brady: Yeah, I mean, you mentioned downtown. I know that downtown right now, Des Moine. And, uh, a couple, there’s kind of a national trend here as well, but, um, I know at least in downtown Des Moines there’s a lot of concern there are. We had Scott Carlson in one of our other shows, he’s a restaurateur downtown Des Moines that most people in this town know. Uh, and he mentioned that there’s this massive exodus in downtown. We have, like Django closed, Americana closed. There’s a, a long list of people going to kind of what he called the golden Circle outside of the downtown area. So I imagine you’re also, you know, you have a lot of projects in the Golden Circle as well, but how do we save downtown? Or is it through these projects, the soccer stadium entertainment, bringing more of that stuff into downtown? Will that do it?

Kyle Gamble: Exactly. Plus you want to add employers down

Justin Brady: Well, yeah, true. So

Kyle Gamble: for example, uh, American Equity has made a commitment to bring approximately 700 employees downtown from West Des to occupy what was the former nationwide When You have 700 employees that housed in that, in, in an office building adding population that’s going to go out to lunch. They’re gonna go out to dinner, they’re they’re gonna recreate. They’re gonna go, uh, spend money in that marketplace. And there’s a pride factor Now, I know some, some, uh, businesses have left. But I can count probably the number of businesses that have left, but there’s also a sizable amount that invested in locations in downtown Des Moines, either expansion new locations.

Justin Brady: So you think it’s coming back?

Kyle Gamble: I do. I mean, I, I think COD hit every downtown.

Justin Brady: nothing wrong with optimism.

Kyle Gamble: Well, That’s That’s the business that I’m in. Yeah. Yeah. And I see, I, I’ve. Watch downtown Des Moines for three decades, and I’ve seen its cycles and there have been very distinct cycles. This is one of them. But when you have the commitment large employers, like a principal, like American

Justin Brady: mm-hmm.

Kyle Gamble: um, like a ru on transportation, like a Wellmark. There’s enough foundation in downtown Des Moines to, to have vibrant city. And then combined with that, you look at what the capital investment that it’s taking place from the East Village all the way to the globe, to the pro Iowa soccer stadium, global There’s a, there’s a billion dollars worth of capital Largely a multifamily, and that’s okay. But when the people are there, they’re going to, they’re going to go to the restaurants, they’re gonna wanna get jobs right next door. They’re gonna wanna get access to the trails and get access to the nightlife. And go to the concerts. and I see that, and I don’t see that, um, going away. I see it only

Justin Brady: And so you mentioned something key here, which is you mentioned that, um, employers are moving into downtown and therefore employees will have to come with, and you’re actually tapping into a trend here that’s wider, which is the remote work trend, right? Like hybrid, remote work. That used to be the thing. No one’s gonna go to offices anymore. That’s starting to go back. Yeah. So you’re, you’re on two sides of this, which is you’re in the real estate game, you’re in the construction game, building some of these properties. You are also in the home game. And so is this dynamically changing how you build homes already? I feel like some home builders were like, oh my gosh, we gotta start building home offices and make it, and now they’re like, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Maybe we don’t wanna do this. So where do you guys sit on that? Are you still going all in on home offices or are you trying to make leaner footprints? Are you doing a little both? No,

Kyle Gamble: we wanna be smart with our footprints and we wanna, we, we do adjust our footprints depending on the, the size and price point We also wanna offer flexibility So it, most of our homes have, either an office or a den that can be flexible, workout, workout, uh,

Justin Brady: Oh,

Kyle Gamble: so there’s, there’s some flexibility in because people do want to, to have the opportunity, have that flexibility to work out of their home or work out in their space. Or, make, make, make it so they have that flexibility to do a

Justin Brady: Sure. So this is kind of something that you guys saw coming, which is maybe this is a trend, we’ll make these things more flexible. Or did you already kind of have flexible floor plans and you’re like, this doesn’t really change anything. We already planned for this

Kyle Gamble: Yeah. It’s kind of a mindset that we, the, the buyer pool today wants that flexibility. Not only is it the buyer pool, but it’s also the renter pool. They want the flexibility within their space as well. So we, we have designed, some touchdown spaces, some, office space within our, within our units, within our communities, but also business centers. really, really high level workout facilities. large meeting spaces, yoga spaces, uh, game room spaces. In our, in our most recent, uh, community in downtown Des Moines, we have a sauna, which is new.

Justin Brady: That’s a thing.

Kyle Gamble: Oh yeah. Yeah.

Justin Brady: Those are big man.

Kyle Gamble: Yeah, those are big. Yeah. Yeah. Fourth floor link. Link four is a is a sauna, Huh. Yeah.

Justin Brady: That’s super cool. Yeah. Um, first

Kyle Gamble: one we’ve done that I’ve, that I’m aware

Justin Brady: Because it basically are people looking for more amenities. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. They, they’re okay. Um, so speaking of like, you know, new sheriff in town now, and there’s new technology coming around the horizon, there are new things happening. What do you think is most likely to change at Hubbell Homes? Hubbell Real Estate, the entire Hubbell Empire. During your tenure, what, what changes are you looking five, 10 years down the road that you’re like, Ooh, that’s, that’s gonna be some crazy stuff.

Kyle Gamble: Well, You know, you’re not, you don’t turn 170 for for not having a long-term vision. true. And we’re. we’re not reinventing our, our, our business. we are gonna continue work in the industrial, the multi-family, the medical office space. I do see changes coming on the horizon, but it’s, it is an evolution and we always have Be in pretty heavy contact with our buyer pool, our renter pool, our industrial users, and our medical, uh, tenants as And so we survey them all the time to, to make sure we’re understanding any trends that are coming, to make sure we, we build thoughtful spaces, both on the residential side and on the industrial side. Uh, so it’s, it’s an always evolving process and we try to do things, uh, a little bit unique each time we build a new community or build a new building, but it always has to be, you know, catered to, to the renter or the tenant and their business and, uh, you know, we’ll, we’ll continue to build upon established several

Justin Brady: You mentioned, uh, surveys and that you’re surveying tenants, and what are some of the top things that you’re seeing start to emerge?

Kyle Gamble: Well, we’ve touched on ’em. High level of amenities. They really wanna see that package. That, that is, that’s strong price point is important. affordability factor in this marketplace, you, ignore. So we need to be price thoughtful. affordable, attainable pricing. With the value proposition that, that buyers are looking for. Good location, good Schools. floor plans, low friction, and, and amenities are close to the we try, when we, we look for locations, you look at four things, location, rate, timing, and people. are the kind of the evaluation characteristics that we, we look to make sure we optimize.

Justin Brady: Yeah, the, so obviously people like you indicated, are becoming way more amenity conscious, but also price conscious, uh, and that when investors hear that they think margins. They think squeezing margins. ’cause if you’re adding more stuff, but then also trying to be respectful of like not raising prices up. That’s skinnier margins. So what’s the solution when you have material costs rising and labor costs rising. People want more amenities, but they also want costs to go down. Do you have like an ASCE up your sleeve to be able to make everybody happy?

Kyle Gamble: I wish. No, we don’t have an ace up our sleeve. We, we we’re a volume builder, so we do have some ability with consistency to be price competitive. Um, we have a very, very strong base vendors, partners that us year in and year out. We keep them informed about what our pipeline is, so they are aware of what Hubbell’s going 3, 6, 18 months into So they can. plan around that. And when our subcontractors and our contractors have the ability to plan. They can be competitive we can deliver, we can deliver, communities, homes, projects that are competitive. And that’s what we’re looking for. We’re, we’re not, look, we don’t have an ace up our sleeve. We’re not looking to be, so cost conscious that you don’t have a value proposition behind it. we wanna deliver a, a quality product that the buyer or renter gets a return on their investment. Return on their investment both financially and

Justin Brady: Right. Are you guys considering prefab, like prefab, more prefab options? I know that in some communities this is being tested, actually it’s actually being tested in Iowa now. Um, like 3D printing of houses. Are we experimenting with any of that stuff to keep costs slow or think about construction and home building in a new way?

Kyle Gamble: Mm-hmm. We have, we have. not looked at 3D printing homes. We’ve, we’ve, we’ve, we had a re we have a relationship with a builder that’s done it in Texas. Mm-hmm. Um, I just don’t think our climate’s gonna that type of Really, construction in this marketplace. Huh. We, we build, we really get our jobs done from, from April 15 to, Thanksgiving and we don’t have a full 12 month cycle to build in because our, we’re a little bit weather constrained in

Justin Brady: Mm-hmm.

Kyle Gamble: And it just not, it just has not arrived in this marketplace in a is cost for, us. Uh, there may be others that and we’ll watch those closely, but it’s not on for us And it’s, it’s super new, so I don’t, I don’t know. For those that don’t know, it’s basically a giant 3D printer that like squirts concrete out in a grit and, and basically makes the outline of a house. Um, they’re, they, they do put some reinforcement in there. They have window cutouts, that kind of thing. But as far as long term.

Justin Brady: I don’t know if we have any good samples of what happens to these things long term.

Kyle Gamble: I don’t know So is that also represent the, some of these newer technologies represents a little bit of risk ’cause you don’t know which way they’re gonna go. yeah. Okay. You don’t, you don’t, and you don’t know how the buyer’s gonna react to it. In, in our marketplace. We, we know how the buyer’s gonna or the residents can react to

Justin Brady: Yeah.

Kyle Gamble: And so we’re, we’re not gonna be the first one in, in many cases, uh, with new technology, we’re gonna, we’re gonna sit back Continue to invest in the things we know work. Mm-hmm. And like I said, it’ll be part of that evolution of our organization use of technology and the enhancement of technology. If it works for us and we we can add to that value proposition, then

Justin Brady: Yeah. Are you looking at like, ’cause this is all the rage. I, this is almost every conversation now is AI automation, optimist, bots. Um, there are,

Kyle Gamble: It’s kind of scary, isn’t it?

Justin Brady: fi or figure, figure is another one. Um. Is your company looking or your, um, your construction arm looking at solutions around there to lower costs?

Kyle Gamble: Oh yeah, We’re, we’re, we are deploying it in a wide, we are experimenting with it in a wide Probably the most, Prevalent within our organization is we have invested in software that has AI capabilities to them and pro those investments have made, been made primarily in the property management sector, less in the construction sector. Now the construction sector side of it is coming, there’s no question we are looking at technologies to, to better price, to better underwrite, to better finance. To better track our entire business to make sure that we’re optimizing it. but like I said, it, it’s, we’re in more of the exploratory mode with the exception of some purchased for

Justin Brady: What are some of the exciting things that you do see coming? ’cause this stuff is going to be commercialized. Definitely, definitely under five years. It’s like knocking at the door right now. Um, I think robo taxis or whatever they’re calling them from Tesla now are rolling off the line. Um, uh, like I mentioned optimists, that’s a Tesla thing. And then figure. Um, these, I know that unit tree or whatever, it’s a Chinese company. We probably won’t see that here for obvious reasons, but I know that robotics, um, are basically already almost completely viable in, uh, industrial settings and in likely home building settings. So within that, within the next five years at Hubbell Realty, what are we likely to see robots doing at your job

Kyle Gamble: Well, I really I, I think that. that robotics mechanics will help us build faster, so for sure. we like to do, in our home building business, we like to do 2, 2 2 turns. a year. So build a pro, build a product, sell it, build it, sell it

Justin Brady: Mm-hmm.

Kyle Gamble: Two times. in If we can enhance that cycle, that’s just. That’s better for the consumer. Yep. Better for us, better for our vendors. We’re building faster and we’re cycling Building more homes quicker. Same on the industrial side, and I think it’s, we’re probably gonna see this, well, not probably, we are seeing it. Tenants are gonna require buildings being built so they can occupy them quicker. The faster they get into business, the faster they can start their, revenue. And so, and robotics is gonna help us build 24 7 every single day.

Justin Brady: Yeah, no, absolutely. It’s, um, we’ve talked about this so many times on the business podcast. But, um, I will, I will fight to the death. Not really, but, um, I will fight to the death. Anybody who says, oh, robotics are gonna take jobs, and it’s absolutely ridiculous. Um, the more you look into the data, the more you talk, the, the, the only people kind of throwing the warning signs about AI taking jobs are the people that st have a lot to benefit. Uh, like on the AI side, they’re trying, you know, they, they have a lot to lose. Some of the people who have regulatory captured industries, like some of these people are scared ’cause they don’t like to see some costs coming down. They don’t like to see that. Some things’ getting cheaper. That’s a whole discussion. But I do like to see that. Uh, and I completely agree that the robotics being implemented in home buying. It is good for the companies doing the construction. Yeah. It, it saves money there. It’s good for the consumers ’cause it brings costs down and it, and it smushes timelines. Is that the technical term? Smushes

Kyle Gamble: timeline. Yeah. Decreases your timeline. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you’re also seeing a much more educated. buyer pool, renter pool. Tenant

Justin Brady: mm-hmm.

Kyle Gamble: Mm-hmm. They have a high, high level of, of knowledge on the marketplace coming in, the price points in the marketplace, how to finance homes. Just a incredible level of information that’s in, in the, in the marketplace for buyers and, and home builders and everyone to just enhance their ability to do business.

Justin Brady: There’s a lot of data now that is, is suggesting, uh, that boomers are basically gonna stay in their houses, um, or they’re looking to downsize in smaller footprint houses. I learned a new term today called patio homes. Like, I mean, I thought that was a town home, but apparently a patio home is like not multi-level. Um, and we also have younger people that are starting to say, I just don’t want this massive house, this massive, I want to be very lean in space. Is this like a very, very niche thing that people want? Um, and it’s like the loudest people are talking about it, but it’s really not a big market opportunity. Or are you guys starting to say, yeah, this is a big thing and we need to start addressing this and lowering square footage and making these patio homes or these, uh, smaller a DU size homes. Is this a need?

Kyle Gamble: There’s we are studying right now what we call a cottage community. So really smaller homes, about 1300 to 1700 square primarily single story, no garage. first you have to get the municipalities on board to, to do community Um, we’ve done demand studies on it. We’re looking at doing one Uh, whether we Pull the trigger on it or not. It’s, a little bit. Premature, and it’s not, it’s not our blocking and tackling homes and we are not straying away from what we do 24 7 and, and sell 400 of ’em a year. But we will look at a niche that is that cottage Cottage home. It’s less expensive. It’s smaller square footage. You know, it may fit that lifestyle of an individual or family that. Doesn’t spend a ton of time in their homes. They’re, they’re out and about. They’re recreating, they’re working, they’re traveling, and they need more of touchdown areas than full scale full built We’ll find out whether, if that is a, you know, how deep that market is. Yeah. but I think there is an argument that there is that, there, is a, a pool of buyers occupants that, that, uh, would find that attractive versus, um, renting in a multifamily community.

Justin Brady: So what is, is there a definition of cottage homes? Is it like certain square footage and certain amenities?

Kyle Gamble: Yeah, so the one we’re looking at in Omaha’s there, variety of floor plans. They range from about 1300 to 1700 square no garage. pretty tight spaces are pretty tight, uh, side yards between buildings. Um, but there’s also green, dedicated green space within the community. There’s bocce ball court, pickleball So it’s, it’s, there’s some walkability component to it, but it’s, um, it, it’s not something that’s very prevalent, in this marketplace. Price points are around the 300,000, a little bit less than that, depending on the square footage, anywhere from two 60 to about three 20. Uh, so attractive price point, uh, in, in good locations. That’s the, in my mind, that’s the key to, to that product type is it cannot be. pioneering. It cannot be out in a cornfield corner of It needs to be closer amenities are located. So the, the, buyer, the homeowner, has the get to all the amenities in the restaurants and, recreation areas and potentially

Justin Brady: Do cities like this stuff? Because I know that what we’re gonna

Kyle Gamble: gonna find

Justin Brady: Yeah. Good answer. Because, uh, I do know that sometimes cities, I know right here in Des Moines where I live, uh, there was some fighting on the city council about, uh, square footage minimums and saying, eh, you, we don’t want houses to be built underneath a certain square footage. And a lot of people think those stupid home builders, they won’t give a small. And as we had Rick in here, uh, toon, um. He’s like, we we’re more than happy to address that need. We will definitely build that for you. The cities don’t exactly like it and they don’t legally allow us to. So that’s, I think a distinction most people don’t understand is that you can’t just go build whatever the heck you want in cities. You, there are rules that you have to follow from city councils, so. Are you, and I don’t know if you’re, um, how far you are into this, but are you seeing cities already put up the, the, the, you know, stop signs and saying, hey Kyle, that’s cool and all. We don’t want that in our

Kyle Gamble: The, the community that we’re, we’re thinking about doing is, uh, in Papillion Nebraska, municipality has been awesome to work through the planning process, we’re still evaluating whether, whether we’re gonna do it or not, but they, the pillion has not been an

Justin Brady: Mm.

Kyle Gamble: they want to see this product type. They think it will be successful. It’s in a development that, has a lot of amenities and restaurants and, and shopping around it. It has component to it. It, it fits within the to be determined whether we’re gonna move forward. But heavily the municipality’s been behind it. Now whether we can get that done here in central Iowa to be determined. We’ve had a lot of discussion with the municipalities about this. and I think that, if done properly, thoughtfully, that it can and that it can received within this

Justin Brady: I guess last question then, is there any concern in the next five to 10 years on Iowa property taxes? And how that would, um, you know, per perhaps slow down future building, Iowa property taxes are kind of known to be high. And so is that a concern or are the housing prices cheap enough here? ’cause if you go, you know, if you want to dog on housing prices, go look in other states and then you’ll be like, oh, okay. Iowa’s pretty good. So is there concern with the property taxes or because housing is cheaper here, it doesn’t really impact you that

Kyle Gamble: Well. taxes are always, part of the equation. You know, you look at your total when you’re, when you’re buying a home, you’re, you’re, or you’re renting an apartment, you’re looking at your total cost of occupancy.

Justin Brady: Mm-hmm. And real estate taxes are a part of that equation. major expense line item, so. This is a topic that’s very big with the legislator, legisla legislators as we speak right Mm-hmm.

Kyle Gamble: The house is, um, discussing, uh, Iowa property tax reform. The Senate has provided a proposal the gov governor has their as her proposal. Uh, I think it will settle out. In a manner that is palatable for the, the homeowner, the renter, and the developer market. I’m hopeful that it does, because we want to be, Iowa needs to be growth competitive. We cannot tax ourselves or cut ourselves to pri prosperity. We have to continue to invest. and with investment comes a bigger portion of the pie. If we invest in our marketplaces, keep, try to keep costs low, that means more people will stay More development will take place. Growing the ta, the total tax revenue if we start to, to raise taxes to decrease that capital investment, the the pie is not gonna grow as quickly as it

Justin Brady: I guess real last question before I let you go. I would expect maybe. Iowa, we’re going to see a focus on music venues and maybe, um, MLB teams coming. I think isn’t there someone in the MLB in your family and maybe some musical background? Your, your, one of your comms people who is in the room right now actually told me about this, so, um, what’s that

Kyle Gamble: I have two boys, Uh, one is 21 and one is 19. And my 19-year-old was just recently drafted by the Kansas City Royals. Congrats. So he’s, he is, uh. Getting his start in, uh, minor league baseball. In fact, he’s in, he’s with the single A team in Columbia, South Carolina called the Fireflies, and I think he’s on a bus right now, headed to Charleston, South Carolina to play a game. So he’s, he’s just like in this fifth, sixth game of his career and just, uh, you know, kind of getting going and, and, and learning the ropes. So we’ll, we’ll see how that evolves over time. But he’s doing exactly what he wants to do.

Justin Brady: So I imagine in the near future we’re going to see like more apartments and condos. That are like more baseball oriented. I think that, uh, I know that the, um, Cubs years ago were talking about Iowa Cubs. Were talking about like a cubby village kind of thing happening. I would just imagine that maybe Hubbell’s gonna have a finger in

Kyle Gamble: would be so cool. that would be so cool.

Justin Brady: Can you let us know and come back when that’s launched?

Kyle Gamble: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you’re, you’re seeing some major League baseball teams around the country when they relocate. They’re not just focused on building a stadium, they’re focused on building a complete neighborhood in and around the stadiums where there’s apartments and office buildings and restaurants and bars and nightlife. Cultural activities taking place all around the stadium. So that is a trend. I don’t think we’ll see going away in, in any sports venue is, is the full experience for for the fan. That’s, that’s not only just the game, but it’s a day long

Justin Brady: Have you had conversations about building one of those in Des Moines

Kyle Gamble: I’d love, I’d love, to. Yeah, I’d love to. There’s, there’s a lot of, um, um, a lot of opportunity I believe from. The East Village, the market district through Grace Station to the Pro Iowa soccer stadium. That opportunity for, uh. A town of our size is phenomenal. And we can really do something that, that space along Martin Luther King, um, to really make it such a vibrant And from a vision standpoint, the, the ground is there, which is very unique. Mm-hmm. The infrastructure is there, which is very unique. And we have a growing city and we have, uh, municipalities and we large, um, Corporate operators in this marketplace that want to invest in it. And this is, this is a ripe opportunity that, uh, doesn’t come along very often in towns

Justin Brady: Well said, and I think most, I don’t even think most Des Moines residents really understand how uniquely positioned we are.

Kyle Gamble: fun. It, it’s very

Justin Brady: Kyle Gamble, the brand new CEO of Hubbell Realty. Congratulations at the, we’re gonna see 30, 40 years ad you maybe,

Kyle Gamble: well, I’m 30, I’m 32 years in with Hubbell. Uh, probably not another 30, but maybe 20.

Justin Brady: Kyle Gamble, CEO of Hubbell Realty. Thanks so much for coming on the Iowa Business

Kyle Gamble: Thank you. I Appreciate. it. It was a lot of fun.