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Kaylee Williams: Hey everybody, welcome back. It’s the “Iowa Tech” podcast and your host, Kaylee Williams. I’m here in the Jethro’s BBQ studio, and today I have two very special guests with me, Amy Lindberg and Bo Schatzberg from Techfuse Des Moines. If you haven’t heard of Techfuse, now you have. It’s a technology conference. It’ll be happening later this year here in Des Moines, and these two are two of the co-founders of this event. So Amy and Beau, thank you both for being here with me today. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having

Amy Lindberg: Yeah, thanks for having us.

Kaylee Williams: Um, I have so many questions for you. First of all, how did I not know about Techfuse until my sister told me about it? How long has this been going on? Well, it’s been a little bit of an evolution

Amy Lindberg: Um, so the TechFuse brand is new this year. So it actually kind of started as Agile Iowa. Um, that started in 2014, and then there was also the DevOps Conference, which Beau and I were a little bit more involved with, um, and that started in 2018. So, you know, kind of two sides of the tech world. And then during COVID, during 2020, we had to, You know, make some decisions on what was gonna happen, and we realized that a lot of the organizers for both groups were the same, and maybe we should, you know try and merge some things together to have a bigger conference. So that’s kind of how… So new name, same, same people, same event, just evolving a little bit

Kaylee Williams: New look, same great taste. Okay, so what is Tech Fuse Des Moines?

Bo Schatzberg: Well, well, it’s really it become an evolution of those things over the years into a conference that we intend to be the sort of the conference for IT and technology practitioners here in central Iowa. Uh, so, uh, a lot of folks were doing DevOps, uh, work over the years. A lot of folks are doing engineering or product, and we just found that we were getting a lot of feedback that, “Hey, this, this really works, but we’d like to see more of this and more of that.” So we have, I guess, four and a half tracks this year. Uh, w- we are gonna be focusing on, um, uh, sort of engineering in general, product, leadership, and then, um, uh, obviously everybody’s talking about AI, so we have an AI track this year, right? Um, and then we’ve added workshops as well to sort of give people some hands-on experience as well. So TechFuse is sort of the fuse of all these things together and all these like conferences that have happened over the years to something that, uh, we’re really excited about. Very cool.

Kaylee Williams: Very cool. And now where does Techfuse happen?

Amy Lindberg: It’s, um, at the… Is it, what is it called now? Not the Iowa Events Center. It’s The No, it’s the Community Choice …Convention Center Convention

Kaylee Williams: Choice Convention Center. Okay. So that’s like downtown

Amy Lindberg: Community Choice Convention Center. Okay, so that’s like downtown Des Moines. Yes. Yep. Yep.

Kaylee Williams: Yes. Yep. Okay. Okay, fantastic. And who is your sort of ideal attendee? What does that attendee profile look like?

Amy Lindberg: I was gonna say, like Beau kind of called it out earlier, like we are really focused on the practitioner. There are a lot of events that happen in Des Moines that are focused for that like director, manager level, and we’re trying to close that gap, right? We wanna bring those together, and so we’re, we’re focused on the practitioner, but we also want that leader to come and understand kind of the full life cycle, um, of product and development. So that’s kind of who we’re, we’re focused on. Yeah. I think

Bo Schatzberg: That’s kind of who we’re, we’re focused on. Yeah. I think, I think if you’re a, a, if you’re an engineer, if you’re a software developer, if you’re an architect, if you’re project manager or product manager, um, I think that makes a lot of sense. Um, if you’re kind of scared of this AI stuff and trying to figure out what’s next for you and your career, I think that makes a lot of sense. And then I think if you’re leading the, uh, the folks that are doing this as well, I think it’s really important as well. So we get a lot of folks that come in to kinda learn about what they can do with their career and, and development. But, um, especially with how much engineering is changing right now, I think it would make a lot of sense if you were a director or a manager to, to stop out and see what folks are talking about.

Kaylee Williams: Very cool. Um, so are you comfortable sharing or do you know yet who maybe some of the keynote speakers are, or are there any breakouts that you’re particularly excited about that you’ve seen come

Bo Schatzberg: Yeah, Yeah, so we have, we have two keynotes this year. Um, those who have come to the conference in the past will know Joel Tosi. He’s, uh, been here maybe since the beginning of, of DevOpsDays Des Moines. He comes down from Minnesota. Um, he’ll be on day one talking about sort of signals and levers, right? From your engineering team, what do you, what do you see going on? Maybe what are some, some things that I can learn from the way my engineering team works and what to do about that. Um, day two, uh, Michael Carducci’s gonna be speaking about, um, AI and sort of how do you fit in in the organization around that, right? And, and he’ll do a much better job than I do, of course. But, But how do you how do you kind of keep your personality and keep the humanity in AI as you’re doing, as you’re doing your work? So, um, really excited about that. And then personally, I’m excited on day two, we’re gonna be doing, uh, two workshops. Joel’s gonna be leading one of them. Chance for folks to get their hands on and do some things. Um, one of the evolutions of this, um, you know, we’re really proud of our, our history around DevOpsDays and, and that was a, you know, that’s a worldwide organization. There’s certain things that DevOpsDays conferences generally look like, and this evolution sort of allows us to try some new things. Um, traditionally, we would do open spaces and maybe try to get talks out of the, you know, get conversations going, and sometimes it could feel a little forced or maybe folks would r- lose their energy by the end of the day. Now we have this sort of new approach of, “Hey, we’re gonna have four tracks and an opportunity for you to get in a room and work with some other folks and get hands-on.” And I think That’s really exciting for folks to really get a chance to take some stuff back that they can do on that next Monday at their jobs.

Kaylee Williams: Yeah, and I mean, your attendees are tacticians. These are operators. These are people who probably want to, like, learn in a tactile way- Yep and get their hands dirty and, and actually do together. Yep. So that’s, that’s really cool, and those breakouts sound great.

Bo Schatzberg: Yeah,

Amy Lindberg: that’s some of the feedback that we got, and that’s why workshops kinda came in. I think the other thing that’s really interesting about our kinda lineup is that we do have a lot of local speakers too. So, um, it’s an opportunity for, you know, people from our community. We’re very community-based, um, really rooted in that. And so, you know, you get kind of a mix, but we also bring in, you know, national speakers too so that you get kind of that variety, something that you might not get, you know, unless you went to, you know, an, a conference in another state. So we are really focused on make- having a mix of both, you know, that local community, but then also that, you know, broader conversation.

Kaylee Williams: Oh, that’s great. That’s really cool. So you kinda touched on this a little bit, but how has the event evolved? I mean, I know from a branding perspective and sort of who you were targeting, you just put these two great things together to make something that’s sounds like it’s gonna be greater than the sum of its parts. Um, but, uh, you’ve shared a little bit about the feedback that you got. You know, how has that sort of informed how this event has changed over time?

Bo Schatzberg: Yeah, I think, you know, we’re– we’ve been very agile with the way we’ve run this over the years, right? Uh, y- y- we, we, Amy and I started as part of the DevOpsDays, um, organization that started in 2018, but this is really even, you know, our grandfather, I think, is this Agile iOS, you know, conference that, that happened, you know, many years before that. Um, you know, we, we always felt, um, as the Agile Iowa, you know, conference sort of waned and we realized we still wanna do this, we still wanna get these folks together, but maybe not in its own conference that made a lot of sense to just sort of bring these things together and not make it so air- narrow of just Agile or just DevOps or, or just whatever, right? Um, we’ve had a lot of topics that have changed over the years, obviously, because technology changes, right? Um, I think probably two-thirds of our, uh, submissions this year were for AI. Uh, you know, when we were, when we were doing DevOpsDays in 2018, I think two-thirds of our submissions were Kubernetes, right? and and Things like that, right? So it just, the the technology’s changed and we wanna make sure that we, we adapt to that. Um, the other thing is just COVID has made it just– it has changed these conferences, right? So whether it’s, um, you know, it was a great problem to have in 2018. We had, we had, um, national, um, uh, different DevOps companies, technology firms just throwing money at us to come get a table at our conference. That’s not the same anymore, right? We’re much more local, right? Um, and so now, now our sponsors are very much– Well, while we do have some, some technology providers, it’s very much employers, um, folks that want to be in front of some of the best practitioners in, in the area, right? You’re gonna have 500 people coming through and this is a great chance to recruit, um, people who wanna support that community, right? Um, and so again, that’s a little bit of that local flavor that, that Amy’s talking about. But we’ve always really tried to take feedback on talks, make sure we have options for everybody. And, uh, one of the things that we’ve always applied is, is what we call the sort of the law of mobility, which is, hey, if this confer- if this talk that you showed up for, you know, it’s five– you’re five minutes in and this isn’t what you wanted, you can go to a different, another one. And so that options, that optionality that we’ve built out for p- folks, four tracks plus a workshop- Yeah … you’re gonna find something that you’re interested in, even if it’s maybe not the one you started at.

Kaylee Williams: Yeah, I love that culture, that flexibility of make the most of your time, get the most value you can. If it’s not the right session, no problem. Yeah. Get up and leave respectfully,

Bo Schatzberg: that flexibility of making the most of your time, getting as much value as you can. Yeah. If it’s not this session, no problem- Yep … we’ll grab a new one respectfully. Yep. We have to prepare some of the speakers from outside of, of, of, uh, Des Moines for that because we’ve had a couple folks maybe who came in and said, “Oh, why are those people leaving?” It’s just, that’s not for them. And, and, uh, you know, that might mean there’s some people coming in to see your, your talk as well just 15 minutes in.

Kaylee Williams: Yeah

Amy Lindberg: Yeah so we’ve added the workshops this year, and I think we have another exciting announcement that we’re gonna be adding. Um, so we’re gonna be partnering with the local user groups in the community and giving them an outlet to come and share, like what they’re doing throughout the year. So that is coming. We haven’t like flushed it all out yet, but, um, there’s a partnership. You know, like I said, it’s very kind of founded in our community, and we wanna continue to support that, so we’re trying to figure out a way for this year to continue that community-based

Kaylee Williams: Gosh, I was thinking, uh, even about, um, Levi Rossel with, uh, We Write

Amy Lindberg: Yep. Mm-hmm

Kaylee Williams: has a group called IAAI. It’s an Iowa

Bo Schatzberg: It’s an Iowa AI user.

Kaylee Williams: AI user group. Mm-hmm. And I feel like this would be, like, right up his alley. Yeah So it sounds like you already know him or probably- Yep

Amy Lindberg: already know him or felt- Yep.

Kaylee Williams: in with him, but that’s great. A little announcement that we can include as a part of our

Amy Lindberg: Yes. You’re the first to know, so

Kaylee Williams: for sharing that. It’s about to be much more well-known.

Bo Schatzberg: You’re the first to know. To be much more well known. Awesome

Amy Lindberg: you for sharing that. It will be much more well known. Right?

Kaylee Williams: Um, so I have to, I have to, like, dig in here ’cause I always wanna know the people behind the events and the brands. Why are you doing this? And maybe tell me a little bit about, let’s start with, like, are you Iowans? Are you native to the state? Where, where did you grow up? Um, d- are you both developers? Tell me a little bit about your background. Maybe Amy, you go first, and, and I wanna understand, like, why are, why are you doing this? ‘Cause this is a volunteer capacity, right, for both of you. Yep. All right. Lay it on me.

Amy Lindberg: Yep, so I’m originally from Northwest Iowa, Sibley. It’s up by Okoboji, like up in that corner. Yes. tiny town. Uh, moved here for college and just really never left. I actually have a background in marketing and communications, so that’s kind of how I got my start in tech is I’ve, I’ve, I always consider myself kind of tech adjacent, right? Like, I’m always doing something in the space, but it might be more on the marketing and communications side. That’s what I do for the conference. Um, but my day-to-day job, I do project management, product management, program management, right? Some of those types of things. So, um, you know, I got my start kinda in this group when I met a few of the other organizers, and they were needing some help kind of from that marketing perspective. And during that time in my career, I wasn’t really getting that in my day job, so this gave me an opportunity to continue to, you know, basically do some of the things I’m really passionate about, and I just never left. So, you know, been doing it for a really long time.

Kaylee Williams: Yeah, I’ve been doing it for a really long time. Okay. And Beau, what about you? Yeah

Bo Schatzberg: Yeah. So, uh, grew up in, uh, in and around Cedar Falls. Um, my wife and I moved down here after college at UNI. Um, I’m a recovering software developer, uh, but, uh, I, uh, you know, obviously been getting a lot back, more into it with AI and coding agents this last couple years. Um, so it’s a hard habit to break. Um, my day job, I, I do architecture, fractional CTO work, um, a lot of, lot of, uh, consulting and leadership there. So, um, not doing as much of the practitioner stuff anymore. Um, but in 2018, right, when I, when we started this, right, it was, it was definitely something I was doing a lot more hands-on, and, um, it’s evolved from there. It, the, it’s a great group of organizers. Um, we, we love to work together. Um, it’s a great chance to go see 500 people that, you know, um, I get to sometimes only see once a year. Um, I personally, you know, would buy a ticket for this. I always walk out of there with a bunch of things I wanna go read and a bunch of things I wanna follow up on. And, um, so it’s just a great chance to kinda help, help the community, volunteer. Um, but I probably get more out of it than I put into it, to be honest. It’s, it’s a great, it’s a great way to, to spend some time. So,

Kaylee Williams: That’s really cool. I love that. We’re lucky to have people like you making events like this happen in Des Moines. How many organizers are there behind Techfuse?

Amy Lindberg: I think there’s about nine of us. Yeah. Yeah, it really does take that m- like big of a group, um, ’cause we all kinda have our lanes that we operate in. Um, you know, we just spend a ton of time on the program, you know, trying to pull that together. But we really start in February, right? And we’re meeting regularly, and this year the event’s in October. So, you know, you can see it does take… You know, a lot of people don’t understand what the behind-the-scenes look like, but it is, there, there’s some effort that goes into it.

Kaylee Williams: I believe it. Um, are there sponsorships still available for TechViews if anyone listening is interested in supporting the event?

Bo Schatzberg: There are. And, um, that’s one of the big messages we wanted to send out today in addition to, you know, tickets are open, right? And people to come attend. But, um, there are sponsorship spots open. You can get a table and get personal time with folks, get a chance to talk about your story and what’s, what you’re interested in and, and why you’re there, and kind of sell yourself to, you know, again, some of the best practitioners in central Iowa. Um, a chance to give out swag and all that stuff as well. But really just Hopefully support a good cause too, right? This, this helps folks in this community, uh, develop their careers and, and, uh, it’s a great chance to, to give back to the community.

Kaylee Williams: Wonderful

Amy Lindberg: And I would say if there is a sponsorship that you’re interested in but you don’t see it up there, like certainly reach out to the organizers. We’re always happy to try and work creatively to, you know, to get others involved, so

Kaylee Williams: Okay, wonderful. Um, so I would be curious to know if we can take a bit of a left turn here, because you mentioned AI,

Bo Schatzberg: and- you mentioned AI and- Mm-hmm

Kaylee Williams: a big part of your programming this year, it sounds like, as it probably should be. Um, I mean, you both, you live and breathe this world every day. How has AI changed the work that you do, the way you do your work? And if you had to kind of point broadly to, like, the theme of TechFuse, is it pro-AI, integrate this into your work? Or is it move forward with caution? I mean, how would you sort of… And I know that’s a big question and, like, a broad brush that I’m asking you to paint with, but how would you characterize the tone that you’ve seen so far on your talk submissions around how people are positioning AI in this space? Well, I, I– From a

Bo Schatzberg: Well, I, I, uh, from a talks perspective, I I think there’s a, a wide variety of, of, you know, uh, skepticism of how to be healthy, how to develop your career, and how to use these tools, right? Um, one of the workshops on Friday is gonna be around how do you use coding agents to go build stuff, and you’re gonna get a chance to go build stuff and get hands-on. And, um, that’s that’s awesome, right? Um, there’s going to be talks around, again, how to, how to show value in your career in this new world and, um, for folks who are maybe even starting out or, or more, you know, further along in their career, I think that’s a great perspective to have, right? Um, there’s a lot of, you know, “Hey, uh, this is a great idea, but is this really, you know, adding the value that you need?” And I know there’s a lot of folks in my personal job r- you know, my personal day job right now who are, you know, saying, “Well, we spent a lot of money on this,” but maybe not getting a lot of value out of that, right? And so I think it’s a chance for folks to take this back again to their job and say, “Well, maybe here’s why, and here’s how we can steer it a little bit.” So, um, I think it’s gonna be a wide variety. Um, those, you know, those who have, um, as much gray hair as I do know that, you know, there’s always stuff that comes along that, you know, maybe is gonna change our careers, and sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn’t. Um, I think there’ll be a lot of var- of varying perspectives, uh, at this conference for folks, so. And things are moving so fast.

Kaylee Williams: and things are moving so fast. By October. I

Bo Schatzberg: By October, yeah, By October we may have bots doing all the work talk. yeah, yeah. yeah. So, um, I, I think it’s gonna be I think it’s gonna be, um, a wide variety of this. And, and again, it’s practitioners. You know, the speakers are doers. They’re not selling you something, right? And so I think that’s why that perspective, um, will really matter. These are folks that are using it in their day-to-day jobs, um, and have experience that they can share with you hands-on.

Kaylee Williams: Yeah.

Amy Lindberg: Yeah, and I’m just excited for the conversation. I think that’s, if anything, that’s what we want to happen, right? Is how are people using it? How can you use it better? You know, I know I use it in my day-to-day kind of product world, um, but I know there’s better ways to do it and be more efficient, so I’m excited to hear from some others that are maybe doing it a little better, you know, than I’m doing it today. So, um, you know, if anything, it’s sparking that conversation

Kaylee Williams: Yeah. Um, I have a question for you both. Are in-person events coming back? What have you seen trend-wise? Maybe if you look back since COVID, since 2020, are we up and to the right, down and to the left? I mean,

Bo Schatzberg: Boy, this is a, this is a tricky one. This is a tricky one. I, you know, uh, I’d, I’d love to hear Amy’s perspective on this, too. Uh, you know, our experience with this particular conference was, uh, again, DevOpsDays in 2018 was we sold out the event.

Amy Lindberg: Mm-hmm.

Bo Schatzberg: Um, we, um, we sold out sponsors and we still had people trying to throw money at us to try to get in, right? Um, I think we’ll sell out this event again this year. We s- I think we’re… Boy, I haven’t checked this morning, but we sold almost 200 early bird tickets already for this thing. That we can hold 500. So, so like we’re, we’re on track to hit the mark on that.

Amy Lindberg: Mm-hmm.

Bo Schatzberg: We’re doing all right. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. And, and that maybe that’s part of the branding, but I hope that it’s also part of the, “Hey, we know these folks. We know what they’ve delivered in the past and, and, and we know what to expect.” Yeah, yeah. Um, so I think that for our conference it’s still pretty strong and it’s great to see folks. Um, uh, sponsorship’s tricky, right? Um, so you know, I think, I think if, if, you know, we’re a great use case I think or a great example of folks that, you know, you can get in front of folks still in person if you’re providing value. So I don’t-

Amy Lindberg: And I think it, it is a little bit of the pivot that we made too, right? I mean, we did see some other conferences, you know, in the d- like DevOps space that struggled last year, right? And so I think we took it as an opportunity to say, what can we do differently? How can we, you know, change our program to offer workshops and support the community a little bit more? And I think we’ve been very fortunate to kinda continue after COVID to really hit our numbers, but we, you know, made a, some confer- like conscious effort and decisions around that as well. So yeah. I mean, I think, you know, some of the, let’s say like more local, like smaller events, you know, are still seeing that trend of like how do we bring people back? Um, and so that’s kinda what led to our announcement too, to, you know, support the community a little bit more and help them continue to be successful. ‘Cause yes, a one-time conference, you know, a conference every year is great, but you know, people still need that community the rest of the year too, so we’re trying to figure out how to give back.

Kaylee Williams: Yeah. I love that. And I– it’s top of mind for me. You know, I was just on my way here, um, while we’re recording this, the Des Moines Arts Festival is happening and they’ve set up on Grand and Locust, and I already saw swarms of people showing up. Now that event is like Established. Stephen King has been doing that for like 20 years now, and it’s a, it’s a real staple, I think, of our downtown, like the annual calendar of like big events. But I don’t know, I was just like, “Oh, I hope, I hope that that is the case.” I hope that there will be a resurgence of interest in IRL experiences and opportunities to engage with other people because, um, I don’t know. You know, AI has given us so much, uh, by way of content and information readily available in a format in which we can interact with it, like almost conversationally, and I think it’s cool, but like it’s… I don’t know. It’s both a good, a good draw into the digital world, but I think in some ways it like makes people wanna come out of that digital world and, and get some real experiences with real people. So that’s my hope

Bo Schatzberg: I think so. And I think, I, again, I think if you’re an employer looking to send folks to something like this, right? P- a lot, you know, more and more employers are asking folks to come back into the office, right? Um, uh, but I know in my personal life and, and a lot of my team at work, right, it’s, you know, we don’t necessarily wanna do things after hours, right? We wanna go home and spend time with our family, right? And so, um, this is a great chance to just take two days off of work, right? Couple hundred bucks, come in, see folks. I think, I think there’s still value in things like that, especially if the, if the conversation and the value is worthwhile.

Kaylee Williams: For sure. It’s a little bouillon cube. Yeah,

Amy Lindberg: Yeah.

Kaylee Williams: Come in, you know, you’ve got your fix for- Yeah … for however long, however many months. and Yeah …And this is an annual event, yeah? Yeah. I think I heard you say that. Okay, so tell us, um, dates, tell us ticket price and tiers or levels of different tickets that, that attendees can purchase.

Bo Schatzberg: Mm-hmm

Amy Lindberg: Yeah, so it’s October 15th and 16th. Yeah. Like, I was wanting to make sure I wasn’t one day off. Yep. Um, and so Bo mentioned earlier we had early bird tickets available. That period has closed ’cause now we’ve announced the program.

Bo Schatzberg: And don’t ask for the price. Yeah, yeah, sorry, it’s gone.

Amy Lindberg: that, that has passed. Um- you know but, um I think we’re at, like, it’s about $300 for a ticket right now. So, and that will go up again as we get a little bit closer, so that’s all outlined on our website, um, techfusedsm.com. So you can go ahead and check it out, the program’s up there, too, um, and see the other sponsors as well.

Bo Schatzberg: Yeah

Kaylee Williams: employers wanna buy a table or maybe batch tickets for their employees, can they do that as

Bo Schatzberg: They can. It’s, uh, all on Techs- techfusedsm.com, um, or feel free to reach out to either of us on LinkedIn. Um, and, and again, you know, uh, this is a nonprofit, right? So every, every single of those dollars goes back into the community. This is paying for food and venue space, right? Yeah. Um, and nobody’s gonna…

Amy Lindberg: yeah. those are the big

Bo Schatzberg: Yeah. It, it’s, it’s… and and maybe flying a few people in, right? For, for, for, for, for talkers, right? So um, so we are, we are not making a profit off of this. We hope that f- you know, the community will come out, not just to support it with the ticket prices, but also buy a few tables to help us, uh, make sure that we can continue to run this.

Kaylee Williams: Wonderful. Well-

Amy Lindberg: And sorry, I was gonna ask about a question. Are we still looking for lightning talks as well?

Bo Schatzberg: Um, uh, you know, I think we have a couple of, uh, opportunities right now, but I think the team’s probably got

Amy Lindberg: Got those filled

Bo Schatzberg: So yeah, no, we’re, we’re, we’re not taking, um, speakers for this year. Um, but if folks are interested in speaking in future years, um, we do a call for speakers every spring, so it’s a great chance for folks to keep an eye out on maybe, maybe something they wanna talk

Kaylee Williams: Okay. I gotta ask, what’s a lightning talk?

Amy Lindberg: Um, it’s just like a very short, like- Yeah … you know, you get up during the lunch hour and what is it? Five minutes? Yeah. Like Five minutes? Like, you know, you get the stage for about five minutes to just …real, go real quick on a topic that you’re interested in. the tradition-

Bo Schatzberg: way of doing it is you get slides, and the slide goes for like 30 seconds, and then you have to move on to the next one. And so it’s like you have to talk about this and keep going, and it’s lightning, right? Um, nobody seems to really wanna sign up for doing that that way. So, so we, uh, we’ve just kind of locked it down to, “Hey, you can be some lunch entertainment and talk for a few minutes about something.” you’re passionate about.”

Kaylee Williams: Yeah, and I feel like with the attention spans of people today, that’s– Uh, I know they did that at the Angel Investor Summit at the Kraus, uh, Gateway Center. and, um, it was, like, very well received. Yeah And I remember, uh, Megan Brandt went up there. I don’t know if you guys were there, but she was talking about the, uh, seed tax credit through IEDA, but it was still being formed. It was not officially done yet. She– There were a lot of things that were still kind of unknown, and she came into her talk and was like, “Hey, um, you know, I’m not gonna take any questions. I’m gonna do this lightning talk, and then I’m gonna be done.” And she finished, and I feel like somebody did ask a question, and she went, “I will not be taking questions.” And she walked off the stage. And it was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen her do, and she is a funny person,

Amy Lindberg: That was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. Yeah. She’s a funny person.

Kaylee Williams: says something. Okay. Well, Beau, Amy, thank you so much for being on the podcast today. Um, really excited for TechFuse DSM. I already have, like, in my head a mental list of names of people I wanna reach out to, to be like, “Are you going to this?” Um, if anyone is interested in getting a ticket, we’d love to see you there October 15th and 16th in downtown Des Moines, techfusedsm.com. Thank you, both of you.

Bo Schatzberg: Thank you.

Amy Lindberg: you

Kaylee Williams: This has been another episode of the “Iowa Tech” podcast. See you next week.